Remettre les valeurs dans la propriété

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Permalink Reply by Frank on October 22, 2009 at 1:52pm

Bonjour Tatiana,

Pourrais-tu préciser ce que tu souhaites dire avec cette phrase (même en angais ou en russe si tu préfères), afin d'éviter toute confusion ?

La phrase en tant que telle n'est pas correcte. À moins que je ne l'aie mal comprise, ce serait plutôt :

Le vendeur s'engage à léguer à l'acheteur l'ensemble des biens présents dans la propriété

Cette phrase peut convenir à un contexte juridique.

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Permalink Reply by Tatiana Popova on October 22, 2009 at 2:29pm

Frank, merci pour votre réponse.
I meant that the seller is obliged to surrender securities (in this case nominal shares) to the buyer and the buyer becomes the owner of the secuities to the full exent. I believe that the variant that you have stated corresponds to what I mean, but I would like to know:
- the word "léguer" in this context means "to transfer";
- could you please clarify the difference between "valeurs" and "biens"?
Merci :-)

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Permalink Reply by Frank on October 22, 2009 at 2:43pm

Hi,

You guessed it, "léguer" means "to transfer".

"biens" means assets while "valeurs" indeed means securities although "actions" and "titres" are probably more common.

Le vendeur s'engage à léguer l'ensemble de ses titres à l'acheteur.

or "remettre" as you wrote before, would be perfectly correct as well:

Le vendeur s'engage à remettre à l'acheteur l'ensemble de ses titres

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Permalink Reply by Neil Coffey on October 22, 2009 at 3:08pm

I think, understandably, Frank wasn't sure what you wanted to say. Now you've clarified it, something like the following is probably OK (obviously, if you're making big financial decisions based on this, you're going to contract a professional translation and then have it checked with a French-speaking lawyer, right...?):

Le vendeur s'engage à transférer à l'acquéreur tous ses droits sur les valeurs vendues.

I'd personally avoid léguer: it's ambiguous between "transfer" and "leave in one's will", and there exist other words like transférer that avoid this ambiguity.

I think valeurs is the correct word for "stocks", "securities" (you could also use titres (nominatifs) for nominal shares); biens generally refers to more tangible goods or property.

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Permalink Reply by Tatiana Popova on October 22, 2009 at 2:47pm

Merci beaucoup. That was a great help!!!

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Permalink Reply by Tatiana Popova on October 22, 2009 at 3:00pm

Donc c'est "Le vendeur s'engage à léguer l'ensemble de ses titres à l'acheteur". Mais comment on peut voir que l'acheteur devient le proprietaire de ces titres? Si j'ajoute "Le vendeur s'engage à léguer l'ensemble des titres dans la propriété de l'acheteur" sera-t-il correcte?
Merci

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Permalink Reply by Tatiana Popova on October 22, 2009 at 3:24pm

Thank you, Neil!
I do really hope that the translation will be checked by a French-speaking lawyer, otherwise that would be a disaster as I'm no speciaist in legal matters :-((( Anyway, I have to translate it. And you and Frank made it easier for understanding :-) Thank you for both of you.

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