translation of an extract? - French Language2024-03-29T11:18:46Zhttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/forum/topics/translation-of-an-extract?commentId=3179028%3AComment%3A102280&feed=yes&xn_auth=noyes I think so!tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2013-03-24:3179028:Comment:1021702013-03-24T17:11:43.440ZGeorge Hunthttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/GEORDIEHOUND
<p>yes I think so!</p>
<p>yes I think so!</p> thank you George,
I make prog…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2013-03-24:3179028:Comment:1022822013-03-24T16:20:51.088ZChantal Savignathttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/ChantalSavignat
<p>thank you George,</p>
<p>I make progress ;-)</p>
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<p>thank you George,</p>
<p>I make progress ;-)</p>
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<p></p> A couple of corrections!
oh y…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2013-03-24:3179028:Comment:1020552013-03-24T15:54:52.531ZGeorge Hunthttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/GEORDIEHOUND
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<p>oh yes a lot of "Harkis" were not accepted as true French after the war, and not only that, it was worse, some of them were abandoned. They couldn't come <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">in</span> to France, they had to stay in Algeria where they were considered as traitor<strong>s</strong> and often executed by FLN without <strong>the</strong> French army…</p>
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<div id="desc_3179028Comment102280" class="description"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>A couple of corrections!</p>
<p>oh yes a lot of "Harkis" were not accepted as true French after the war, and not only that, it was worse, some of them were abandoned. They couldn't come <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">in</span> to France, they had to stay in Algeria where they were considered as traitor<strong>s</strong> and often executed by FLN without <strong>the</strong> French army defend<strong>ing</strong> them.</p>
<p>I think it's the behavior of all the sides <strong>which</strong> contribute to the term "sale guerre".</p>
<p>In France, it's already now a subject that a lot of people prefer <strong>to</strong> avoid.</p>
<p>It was the main question in the final exam "Baccalaureat" last year, my daughter took this exam, and h<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">is</span> <strong>her</strong> teacher did this subject very very quickly without going any further, <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">as</span> <strong>like</strong> a lot of other teachers.</p>
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</div> oh yes a lot of "Harkis" were…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2013-03-24:3179028:Comment:1022802013-03-24T15:12:32.393ZChantal Savignathttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/ChantalSavignat
<p>oh yes a lot of "Harkis" were not accepted as true French after the war, and not only that, it was worse, some of them were abandoned. They couldn't come in France, they had to stay in Algeria where they were considered as traitor and often executed by FLN without French army defended them.</p>
<p>I think it's the behavior of all the sides who contribute to the term "sale guerre".</p>
<p>In France, it's already now a subject that a lot of people prefer avoid.</p>
<p>It was the main question…</p>
<p>oh yes a lot of "Harkis" were not accepted as true French after the war, and not only that, it was worse, some of them were abandoned. They couldn't come in France, they had to stay in Algeria where they were considered as traitor and often executed by FLN without French army defended them.</p>
<p>I think it's the behavior of all the sides who contribute to the term "sale guerre".</p>
<p>In France, it's already now a subject that a lot of people prefer avoid.</p>
<p>It was the main question in the final exam "Baccalaureat" last year, my daughter took this exam, and his teacher did this subject very very quickly without going any further, as a lot of other teachers.</p> I (from my limited exposure t…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2013-03-24:3179028:Comment:1020512013-03-24T13:22:29.795ZGeorge Hunthttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/GEORDIEHOUND
<p>I (from my limited exposure to the French media ) was under the impression that one of the salient features of this war was the feeling of the "French" side in that war that they were not accepted as true French when the war was over.</p>
<p>Would that sentiment have contributed to the term "sale guerre" (the same term as is often used for the conflict in Northern Ireland by the way) ? </p>
<p>I (from my limited exposure to the French media ) was under the impression that one of the salient features of this war was the feeling of the "French" side in that war that they were not accepted as true French when the war was over.</p>
<p>Would that sentiment have contributed to the term "sale guerre" (the same term as is often used for the conflict in Northern Ireland by the way) ? </p> "les Harkis" were Algerians w…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2013-03-24:3179028:Comment:1023622013-03-24T12:37:24.307ZChantal Savignathttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/ChantalSavignat
<p>"les Harkis" were Algerians who supported France and who served in French army during this war.</p>
<p>"la sale guerre" , yes, torture methods, but not only, there were a lot of criminal acts toward civil people.</p>
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<p>"les Harkis" were Algerians who supported France and who served in French army during this war.</p>
<p>"la sale guerre" , yes, torture methods, but not only, there were a lot of criminal acts toward civil people.</p>
<p></p> You are right, one call it 'l…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2013-03-24:3179028:Comment:1022772013-03-24T09:46:50.822ZYannickhttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/Yannick
<p>You are right, one call it 'la sale guerre" because of the systematic use of torture but also summary executions and forcible disappearances</p>
<p>You are right, one call it 'la sale guerre" because of the systematic use of torture but also summary executions and forcible disappearances</p> oh I'm so sorry I mixed the c…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2013-03-24:3179028:Comment:1022762013-03-24T07:33:15.098ZPeter Enhttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/PeterEn
<p>oh I'm so sorry I mixed the chronology up- yes you're right, the soldiers were recruited from algeria based upon a french local plan- the harkis- they called the the recruits.</p>
<p>also, thank you for your explanation of the war- I was very confused as to why they would refer to their enemies with such an affectionate label. I have another question however, why do you call it "la sale guerre?" Is this in relation to the widespread use of torture methods employed by the french army?</p>
<p>oh I'm so sorry I mixed the chronology up- yes you're right, the soldiers were recruited from algeria based upon a french local plan- the harkis- they called the the recruits.</p>
<p>also, thank you for your explanation of the war- I was very confused as to why they would refer to their enemies with such an affectionate label. I have another question however, why do you call it "la sale guerre?" Is this in relation to the widespread use of torture methods employed by the french army?</p> Are you sure that soldiers we…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2013-03-23:3179028:Comment:1023582013-03-23T11:16:02.417ZChantal Savignathttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/ChantalSavignat
<p>Are you sure that soldiers were conscripted from France ? are they not Algerian rather ?</p>
<p>Before this war, there were a lot of people living in Algeria who were from France, and a lot of Algerians who were close to French and France. the History of these 2 countries were linked. At this time, there was an obligatory military service, and Algerian like French young people had to do it.</p>
<p>So when the war began, everyone had to choose his side. And some Algerians choosed France…</p>
<p>Are you sure that soldiers were conscripted from France ? are they not Algerian rather ?</p>
<p>Before this war, there were a lot of people living in Algeria who were from France, and a lot of Algerians who were close to French and France. the History of these 2 countries were linked. At this time, there was an obligatory military service, and Algerian like French young people had to do it.</p>
<p>So when the war began, everyone had to choose his side. And some Algerians choosed France side. Others were forced to help French army, when their homes were burnt and their families killed. Others were too young to have any idea about this war and went where it seemed to be the best. </p>
<p>So I think that sometimes some soldiers could have found their neighbor in the opposite face, and maybe sometimes their friends from the day before, their "brothers" !</p>
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<p>Here we call this war "la sale guerre"</p> The bit before that was speak…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2013-03-23:3179028:Comment:1022672013-03-23T10:36:18.165ZPeter Enhttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/PeterEn
<p>The bit before that was speaking about methods of punishment to put soldiers who opposed killing (conscripted soliders) in line by some form of physical punishment- but this lieutenant said he prefers this method- also, thank you so much for clearing this up-it was just that I had trouble understanding why he was referring to them as "brothers" given that the enemies were from Algeria and the soldiers were conscripted from France- but that makes a lot more sense now. thanks</p>
<p>The bit before that was speaking about methods of punishment to put soldiers who opposed killing (conscripted soliders) in line by some form of physical punishment- but this lieutenant said he prefers this method- also, thank you so much for clearing this up-it was just that I had trouble understanding why he was referring to them as "brothers" given that the enemies were from Algeria and the soldiers were conscripted from France- but that makes a lot more sense now. thanks</p>