The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world - French Language2024-03-29T05:46:49Zhttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/forum/topics/the-hand-that-rocks-the-cradle-rules-the-world?commentId=3179028%3AComment%3A125921&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI respect to your views on de…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2017-03-19:3179028:Comment:1260112017-03-19T16:06:23.691ZCrack1http://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/Crack1
<p>I respect to your views on decision making procedures in the families.</p>
<p>By the way, I have just returned from Sri Lanka after a 3-months long holiday.</p>
<p>It is very warm. The temperature rose to 38 degrees Celsius in the middle of the day.</p>
<p>Soon I am going to Sri Lanka again for a short holiday. I am obliged to attend a religious ceremony in Sri Lanka. I will stay about 14 days in Sri Lanka.</p>
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<p>I respect to your views on decision making procedures in the families.</p>
<p>By the way, I have just returned from Sri Lanka after a 3-months long holiday.</p>
<p>It is very warm. The temperature rose to 38 degrees Celsius in the middle of the day.</p>
<p>Soon I am going to Sri Lanka again for a short holiday. I am obliged to attend a religious ceremony in Sri Lanka. I will stay about 14 days in Sri Lanka.</p>
<p></p> No , I would personally inclu…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2017-03-19:3179028:Comment:1259212017-03-19T15:12:25.893ZGeorge Hunthttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/GEORDIEHOUND
<p>No , I would personally include any culture with a strong exposure to the English language as "native English speakers". </p>
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<p>Not being familiar with Sri Lanka I cannot say if there was /is a large class of the population with this familiarity and use of the language.</p>
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<p>It was a British colony of course and so I suspect that may have been (and remains) the case.</p>
<p>There are many dialects of English (and American English would be one of the most interesting…</p>
<p>No , I would personally include any culture with a strong exposure to the English language as "native English speakers". </p>
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<p>Not being familiar with Sri Lanka I cannot say if there was /is a large class of the population with this familiarity and use of the language.</p>
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<p>It was a British colony of course and so I suspect that may have been (and remains) the case.</p>
<p>There are many dialects of English (and American English would be one of the most interesting examples ;-) ) </p>
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<p>I don't agree with you that the wife always makes the decisions . Some men can be very domineering in the familial context ,even to the extent of laying down the law as to how his wife dresses and cuts her hair.</p> George
I mean the expression.…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2017-03-19:3179028:Comment:1259202017-03-19T14:22:42.373ZCrack1http://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/Crack1
<p>George</p>
<p>I mean the expression.</p>
<p>I was born in a former British colony; it is Sri Lanka.</p>
<p>We had the first female prime minister of the World, in the 70s.</p>
<p>I heard this expression very often, then.</p>
<p>You may tell me those people are not native English speakers.</p>
<p>I have never heard the expression ' Who wears the pants in the house'.</p>
<p>For me, all cultures, the wife takes decisions.</p>
<p>When people separate, mostly the female partner takes the…</p>
<p>George</p>
<p>I mean the expression.</p>
<p>I was born in a former British colony; it is Sri Lanka.</p>
<p>We had the first female prime minister of the World, in the 70s.</p>
<p>I heard this expression very often, then.</p>
<p>You may tell me those people are not native English speakers.</p>
<p>I have never heard the expression ' Who wears the pants in the house'.</p>
<p>For me, all cultures, the wife takes decisions.</p>
<p>When people separate, mostly the female partner takes the initiative.</p>
<p>This is my experience.</p>
<p>You may beg to differ.</p> Do you mean the expression or…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2017-03-19:3179028:Comment:1259182017-03-19T13:26:45.792ZGeorge Hunthttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/GEORDIEHOUND
<p>Do you mean the expression or the sentiment?</p>
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<p>We also have the expression "Who wears the pants in the house ?" which is a more brutal and down to earth variant on the theme.</p>
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<p>I would be surprised if the capability of a woman to be the effective leader in a family group even if not formally so has not been recognized in nearly every culture (but I am surmising)</p>
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<p>I am not sure if this tendency is a recent phenomenon ,though. ( we might…</p>
<p>Do you mean the expression or the sentiment?</p>
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<p>We also have the expression "Who wears the pants in the house ?" which is a more brutal and down to earth variant on the theme.</p>
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<p>I would be surprised if the capability of a woman to be the effective leader in a family group even if not formally so has not been recognized in nearly every culture (but I am surmising)</p>
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<p>I am not sure if this tendency is a recent phenomenon ,though. ( we might need to have been a historical fly on the wall perhaps ;) )</p>
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<p>I am also not quite sure what this Wallace poem is saying. Did he mean that the mother of the child inculcates her values and abilities into future leaders of countries ? So she "rules" in an indirect way.</p>
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<p></p> Thanks George
The dominance o…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2017-03-19:3179028:Comment:1259152017-03-19T11:14:19.624ZCrack1http://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/Crack1
<p>Thanks George</p>
<p>The dominance of women at home or elsewhere is obvious.</p>
<p>So I have heard this from native English speakers.</p>
<p>Maybe French and other nationalities do not know this.</p>
<p>Some countries have women prime ministers. </p>
<p>A native English speaker tends to use this expression.</p>
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<p>I have never ever heard this from a native French, German, Spanish, Norwegian, Swedish, Polish or Russian speakers.</p>
<p>Thanks George</p>
<p>The dominance of women at home or elsewhere is obvious.</p>
<p>So I have heard this from native English speakers.</p>
<p>Maybe French and other nationalities do not know this.</p>
<p>Some countries have women prime ministers. </p>
<p>A native English speaker tends to use this expression.</p>
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<p>I have never ever heard this from a native French, German, Spanish, Norwegian, Swedish, Polish or Russian speakers.</p> The original expression is ap…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2017-03-18:3179028:Comment:1258192017-03-18T23:57:56.787ZGeorge Hunthttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/GEORDIEHOUND
<p>The original expression is apparently from a poem by an American poet Wallace.</p>
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<p><a href="http://citations.webescence.com/citations/William-Ross-Wallace/main-qui-berce-enfant-est-main-qui-dirige-monde-10253" target="_blank">http://citations.webescence.com/citations/William-Ross-Wallace/main-qui-berce-enfant-est-main-qui-dirige-monde-10253</a></p>
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<p>The French equivalent is really just a translation since it seems not to have been an idea that originated in the…</p>
<p>The original expression is apparently from a poem by an American poet Wallace.</p>
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<p><a href="http://citations.webescence.com/citations/William-Ross-Wallace/main-qui-berce-enfant-est-main-qui-dirige-monde-10253" target="_blank">http://citations.webescence.com/citations/William-Ross-Wallace/main-qui-berce-enfant-est-main-qui-dirige-monde-10253</a></p>
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<p>The French equivalent is really just a translation since it seems not to have been an idea that originated in the French language .</p>
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<p>This is hardly something that is going to be said often in conversation so I don't know how important it would be for a native French speaker to judge as to how correct your translation is but I can see no obvious mistake.</p>
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<p>I see from the link I have given above that "dirige" may work as well as "domine" </p>
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<p>You can also find a French language discussion on the sentiment here:</p>
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<p><a href="https://fr.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090416160337AA2mUrs" target="_blank">https://fr.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090416160337AA2mUrs</a></p>