"Ce n'pas" grammer - French Language2024-03-29T00:43:08Zhttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/forum/topics/ce-n-pas-grammer?commentId=3179028%3AComment%3A114546&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes, although I don't know wh…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2014-08-26:3179028:Comment:1144772014-08-26T00:21:38.262ZNeil Coffeyhttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/NeilCoffey
<p>Yes, although I don't know why you write "es" -- in the second case, it's just as "s" sound -- no "e" vowel at the beginning.</p>
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<p>It's "up to the speaker" which pronunciation they use (or rather, whether they omit the "e" vowel) in the sense that without thinking about it, they automatically do or don't depending on a host of complex factors that they have intuitively picked up as part of acquiring French as their native language: rhythm, speaking speed, formality, the surrounding…</p>
<p>Yes, although I don't know why you write "es" -- in the second case, it's just as "s" sound -- no "e" vowel at the beginning.</p>
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<p>It's "up to the speaker" which pronunciation they use (or rather, whether they omit the "e" vowel) in the sense that without thinking about it, they automatically do or don't depending on a host of complex factors that they have intuitively picked up as part of acquiring French as their native language: rhythm, speaking speed, formality, the surrounding sounds...</p>
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<p>If you're interested, in this article on the <a href="http://ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Pronounce-e-in-French&id=8655557" target="_blank">pronunciation of the French letter 'e'</a>, I go into what those factors are in a little more detail -- but it is a slightly complex area of French pronunciation.</p> So if I understand correctly,…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2014-08-25:3179028:Comment:1146072014-08-25T06:17:19.372ZMahmoodhttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/Mahmood
<p>So if I understand correctly, both audios are saying one thing. However, is up to the speaker to decide which one to use.</p>
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<p>As a result, the word "Ce n'est pas" is sometimes pronounced like "ce" like <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/listen/zbg96j4vbv1nwbv" target="_blank">this</a> and sometimes is pronounced like "es" like <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/listen/i0utc8iw4tbbpp4" target="_blank">this</a>.</p>
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<p>So if I understand correctly, both audios are saying one thing. However, is up to the speaker to decide which one to use.</p>
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<p>As a result, the word "Ce n'est pas" is sometimes pronounced like "ce" like <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/listen/zbg96j4vbv1nwbv" target="_blank">this</a> and sometimes is pronounced like "es" like <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/listen/i0utc8iw4tbbpp4" target="_blank">this</a>.</p>
<p></p> Hi Mahmood -- I've just had a…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2014-08-25:3179028:Comment:1145462014-08-25T05:45:17.571ZNeil Coffeyhttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/NeilCoffey
<p>Hi Mahmood -- I've just had a listen to the examples you posted and I think what might be confusing you is the thing I mentioned earlier: that the "e" of "ce" (or indeed the "e" of "petit") is not necessarily pronounced. In the second of your examples, that's exactly what is happening: the speaker pronounces it as "c' n'est pa(s) un p'tit jardin". But in standard writing, you would still write "Ce n'est pas un petit jardin".</p>
<p>Hi Mahmood -- I've just had a listen to the examples you posted and I think what might be confusing you is the thing I mentioned earlier: that the "e" of "ce" (or indeed the "e" of "petit") is not necessarily pronounced. In the second of your examples, that's exactly what is happening: the speaker pronounces it as "c' n'est pa(s) un p'tit jardin". But in standard writing, you would still write "Ce n'est pas un petit jardin".</p> I am pretty sure that there a…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2014-08-25:3179028:Comment:1146052014-08-25T05:31:07.237ZMahmoodhttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/Mahmood
<p>I am pretty sure that there are two sounds</p>
<p>/es/ne/pa</p>
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<p>/no/ce/ne/pas</p>
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<p>But you wrote only "ce n'est pas". Do you read that with both /es/ne/pa and /ce/ne/pa</p>
<p>I am pretty sure that there are two sounds</p>
<p>/es/ne/pa</p>
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<p>/no/ce/ne/pas</p>
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<p>But you wrote only "ce n'est pas". Do you read that with both /es/ne/pa and /ce/ne/pa</p> -non ce n'est pas un petit…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2014-08-24:3179028:Comment:1145422014-08-24T14:58:56.048ZVedashttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/frederic
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<p>-non ce n'est pas un petit jardin</p>
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<p>-ce n'est pas un petit jardin</p>
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<p>-non ce n'est pas un petit jardin</p>
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<p>-ce n'est pas un petit jardin</p> Please listen to the followin…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2014-08-24:3179028:Comment:1143742014-08-24T14:46:40.220ZMahmoodhttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/Mahmood
<p>Please listen to the following phrases (I have to say it is not exactly what I wrote).</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.mediafire.com/listen/zbg96j4vbv1nwbv" target="_blank">http://www.mediafire.com/listen/zbg96j4vbv1nwbv</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mediafire.com/listen/i0utc8iw4tbbpp4" target="_blank">http://www.mediafire.com/listen/i0utc8iw4tbbpp4</a></p>
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<p>Can you write the them?</p>
<p>Please listen to the following phrases (I have to say it is not exactly what I wrote).</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.mediafire.com/listen/zbg96j4vbv1nwbv" target="_blank">http://www.mediafire.com/listen/zbg96j4vbv1nwbv</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mediafire.com/listen/i0utc8iw4tbbpp4" target="_blank">http://www.mediafire.com/listen/i0utc8iw4tbbpp4</a></p>
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<p>Can you write the them?</p> I suspect that the phrase you…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2014-08-24:3179028:Comment:1145982014-08-24T03:49:46.614ZNeil Coffeyhttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/NeilCoffey
<p>I suspect that the phrase you are hearing is: <strong>Ce n'est pas ma valise</strong>.</p>
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<p>The 'e' of <strong>ce</strong> isn't necessarily pronounced (it's basically a special vowel called a "schwa", which may or not be pronounced depending on various factors). But this doesn't affect how the word is written, at least in standard writing.</p>
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<p>In everyday speech, you could also have a version without the "ne":</p>
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<p><strong>C'est pas ma…</strong></p>
<p>I suspect that the phrase you are hearing is: <strong>Ce n'est pas ma valise</strong>.</p>
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<p>The 'e' of <strong>ce</strong> isn't necessarily pronounced (it's basically a special vowel called a "schwa", which may or not be pronounced depending on various factors). But this doesn't affect how the word is written, at least in standard writing.</p>
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<p>In everyday speech, you could also have a version without the "ne":</p>
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<p><strong>C'est pas ma valise.</strong></p>
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<p>The meaning is essentially the same, but said more informally (a bit like the difference between "does not" and "doesn't" in English).</p> Hello,
don't quite understa…tag:www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk,2014-08-23:3179028:Comment:1144682014-08-23T16:24:23.142ZVedashttp://www.forum.french-linguistics.co.uk/profile/frederic
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<p>Hello,</p>
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<p>don't quite understand your question because what you <strong>hear</strong> is not grammatical :</p>
<p> the sentence you may have is "<em>Ce n'est pas ma valise" </em>but I don't have a clue for the other one without clearer elements.</p>
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<p>Hello,</p>
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<p>don't quite understand your question because what you <strong>hear</strong> is not grammatical :</p>
<p> the sentence you may have is "<em>Ce n'est pas ma valise" </em>but I don't have a clue for the other one without clearer elements.</p>